It’s Nice That talk to brothers Kibwe Tavares and Gaika about youth, grief and their boundless work ethic:

“We’re Irish twins,” Kibwe says by way of introduction when I visit the pair at Gaika’s cavernous, tumbledown studio overlooking Regent’s Canal at the place where north London flows into east. “I’m older, I just look younger,” Gaika interrupts. Youthful looks may suggest otherwise, but in every other respect, Gaika is clearly the older brother. Where Gaika seizes the conversation and runs off with it, Kibwe seems happy to listen until he runs out of steam. When Gaika spits out caustic opinions, Kibwe inhales them, rolling each idea around his brain in pursuit of whatever sticks.

Read the full interview here.